Yes, he was retarded. JAD: Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. Well, this is it! ROBERT: According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. Its something I still think about all the time. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. That's it. I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. She's somewhere, but it's not good from what we've heard. And when he examined it, he noticed that there was a syringe hole there. Edward Condon Session III American Institute of Physics. That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. Twitter: @wnycradiolab Language: English Contact: WNYC Radio 160 Varick St. New York, NY 10013 (646) 829-4000 Website: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ Email: radiolab@wnyc.org Episodes Golden Goose 2/17/2023 More But the story he told us begins around 25 years ago. JAD: If they see methyl groups sitting on that bit of DNA, they are pissed. To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. His reputation was that he could get inside the mind of, say, a salamander and know just what it wanted to eat. Radiolab 50.3K subscribers Subscribe 29 1.5K views 6 months ago On this episode, the case that pushed one Supreme Court justice to a nervous breakdown, brought a boiling feud to a head, and. DESTINY HARRIS: And right now, I'm student teaching. He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. We neuter them.". The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. ROBERT: Kammerer, for one, was sent off to work as a sensor for the Austrian military. It's such a surprising result. We have experts even in very specific fields of study, so you will definitely find a writer who can manage your order. ROBERT: You wonder, where did that come from? JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. Not been born at all. But according to Kammerer, shortly after these toads got into the water, they did begin to evolve fast. So much can happen after that. SAM KEAN: What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. JAD: When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. Michael was in school and he got interested in a very, very basic question about how things get passed down? ROBERT: Or how much humidity it preferred. Peanut butter, there we go. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? SMITTY HARRIS: He was just You know, most babies are kinda peaceful, he was never really peaceful. JAD: Well, if a mother a rat mother licking her baby can have such a profound effect, basically change the expression of the genes in the baby, well that's hopeful. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. Well, so here's the thing. PAT: Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. And, you know, there was kind of antisemitism growing at this time, so he thought that someone had framed him, and six weeks after Nobel published his results in Nature, Kammerer sent a letter to Moscow. If you were a boy in verkalix between the ages of 9 and 12 years old, that's the window, 9 to 12, you're a boy, and then we have one of those terribly rough winters, and you're eating much less than normal. JAD: So, in the end, where do you come down on this? Is that too old?" Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, Radiolab is a " show about curiosity " that examines science, history, and philosophy to answer the big questions about life. PAT: The moment I really felt like, "Whoa," was when we started talking about PAT: The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. I wonder how much you believe in it. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. Just a little. I tell you what I'm going to do though. My name is Jean Kean. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. JAD: I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. ROBERT: Well, that's the good news, but unfortunately there is some bad news here. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. JAD: Who now works at Columbia University. ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. DESTINY HARRIS: My situation turned out positive. PAT: And I just felt like it was in one of those moments that contains everything that's good about us as people. PAT: But at that point just two of the six boys were living at home, Brian and Rodney. We talked to her for a little while and At a certain point the social worker pulls out a stack of papers. So yeah, she keeps me busy. She started to wish again that she could have a daughter. And that could have very easily have been one of us. The next stage, yes, no? Well, this is it! I got to say this is spooky. That doesn't matter. Like have you ever had one of those moments where you suddenly are your dad and it catches you off guard? And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when we're recording this, we have not broken the show. JAD: Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. DESTINY HARRIS: Our staff includes Alan Horn, Soren Wheeler, Pat Walters DESTINY HARRIS: With help from Matt Kielty, Chris [unintelligible 01:04:17], PAT'S DAD: And Kenny [unintelligible 01:04:18], PAT: Special thanks to Martin [unintelligible 01:04:21]. Is it a big town? And one of them is called the thyroid system. SAM KEAN: This was a really, really big effect. It was something they acquired during their lifetime. This great. Or is it? Radiolab is on YouTube! How was this woman allowed", "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". Just sing. JAD: One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. And they had more. BARBARA HARRIS: With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. A little village? PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. And when she had a baby. JEAN KEAN: My name is Jean Kean. Then choose either Section II OR Section III and answer all questions in that . A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. My mom needed a girl and, boop! Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. If you were a great rat mommy, what would you be doing with your rat baby? So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. SAM KEAN: Really slowly, gradually, achingly slowly. PAT'S MOM: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abumrad. She was totally an oops kid. The show is nationally syndicated and is available as a podcast. It goes back to the 1800s. He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. Big questions are. LULU: Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. And he said, "Barbara, I'm not buying a school bus." Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. SAM KEAN: In a little community called verkalix. Catch up with new episodes and hear classics from our archive. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: There's a normal distribution, right? MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. JAD: Well, its offensive. MICHAEL MEANEY: Kick off certain hormonal systems. ROBERT: Telling some genes to turn off now, other genes to turn on. Please welcome Barbara.]. BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. Instead of dying at 40, I'd live to 70? [laughs] We now know that thats not the case. SAM KEAN: That was the implication, except Kammerer tried to defend himself by saying CARL ZIMMER: "Do you think I'm a Dummkopf, or an idiot, because that's what I would have to be if I left a forgery with ink standing around openly in the laboratory where so many of my enemies would have entry?". ROBERT: And rewrite the so-called rules of genetics. I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. CARL ZIMMER: This second channel of heredity. And um BARBARA HARRIS: I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. Yeah, there you go. But I'm going to give them a basin of water. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. And there were from the beginning. You feel kind of hemmed in by what your grandfather did? If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. MICHAEL MEANEY: So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. JAD: I find myself thinking like, Okay, I know these kids have their genes half from me, half from my wife. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? And he was going through withdrawal. I mean, he hates water. ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? ROBERT: What do you mean? Nice, cool water. OLOV BYGREN: Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. Push yourself and you got it.". That's how I've always looked at it. I make a difference to her. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. BARBARA HARRIS: And when I found out the bill didn't pass, I just thought, "I have to come up with something else. Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. Listen Jan 27, 2023 Birthstory A sperm, an egg, two wombs, four countries, and money. Thats just the cold logic of Darwinian evolution. It's just a mind crushing tedium. She said, "Thank you so much for the gift, I bought my son an excavator truck, remote control and some summer outfits." Who are you? JAD: The sneaky idea here is that the blacksmiths, the giraffes, they made it happen. ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? PAT: Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats this letter right here? Maybe more. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.]. JAD: These are four kids from the same birth mother? I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. Were told. JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? They have found very similar effects for smoking, for instance. They began to grow these all puffy things on their hands. JAD: Many years later, he and this woman. About 30 years ago-. I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. OLOV BYGREN: Higher frequencies of heart attacks. Could you just tell us what you are doing now? It says, "Race of Supermen." That you can, somehow, by just being nice to them, reading them stories, or whatever, that you can somehow break them free of all that. 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